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166 Re: Firing the commodore -- rank: 669

On 10/8/06, Batrinque_at_aol.com <Batrinque_at_aol.com> wrote: > "Let us begin with the Admiral;  . . . s n i p . . . > The New York Daily News is reporting that > Yankees owner George Steinbrenner is set to fire Torre, unless Torre > resigns > first. > > Bruce Trinque > 41°37'52"N 72°22'29"W Mr. Personality! Well, thanks to the Mighty TIGERS, may he rest in peace (or pieces). Hopefully Mr. Steinbrenner will now get out of the baseball ...

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167 Firing the commodore -- rank: 669

"Let us begin with the Admiral; and Jack, since we are to work openly together, we must speak openly: I know your scruples and I honour them, yet believe me, brother, this is no time for scruples. Tell, do you look for full, unreserved support from Mr Bertie?" "He is a jolly old boy," said Jack, "and he has been as kind and obliging to me as I could wish: he confirmed my acting-order for Johnson at once--a most handsome compliment. As long as all goes well, I ...

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168 Re: The Commodore and Yellow Admiral[SPOILER ALERT] -- rank: 669

On 2/27/06, Robin Welch <robinwelch@gmail.com> wrote: > I wonder if POB borrowed this from some contemporary account of a "cure" of > a child suffering from an unknown disorder. Perhaps someone will come > across such a description somewhere. I've discussed it with Wanda, and we reached the same conclusion. It isn't about Bridgid, it's about POB's (or Richard Russ's) own daughter, who died as an infant. (Spina Bifida was not treatable at the time, and certainly n ...

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169 Re: The Commodore and Yellow Admiral[SPOILER ALERT] -- rank: 669

[spoiler]                       I think that's an excellent explanation. In a way, Stephen was always an isolated person as well. Indeed, while he was not a social outcast (not at all), he certainly relates to nature more readily then to his fellow men. Which is why meeting Jack was a stroke of luck for him; a good close and honest friend was probably what he needed in his life. Read those early passages of M&C and one is struck by Stephen's loneliness. Henry Buurman <hbuurman@ ...

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170 Re: The Commodore and Yellow Admiral[SPOILER ALERT] -- rank: 669

Lady Shelley wrote: > I wonder if it was more of a general neglect and lack of stimuli than > anything really "wrong" with her. I can see Diana not to sure she > wants to have a child, and completely at her wits end. > > The baby won't stop crying no matter what she (Diana) does. The baby > isn't cooing and giggling and smiling at Mama so mama thinks there's > something wrong and panics. Since Brigit isn't getting any > stimulation, she just kind of ...

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171 Re: The Commodore and Yellow Admiral[SPOILER ALERT] -- rank: 669

I wonder if POB borrowed this from some contemporary account of a "cure" of a child suffering from an unknown disorder. Perhaps someone will come across such a description somewhere. Robin On 2/27/06, Lady Shelley <jackaubrey@gmail.com> wrote: > > I wonder if it was more of a general neglect and lack of stimuli than > anything really "wrong" with her. <snip> To be removed from the GUNROOM list send a blank message to UNSUBSCRIBE-GUNROOM@HMSSURPR ...

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172 Re: The Commodore and Yellow Admiral[SPOILER ALERT] -- rank: 669

I wonder if it was more of a general neglect and lack of stimuli than anything really "wrong" with her. I can see Diana not to sure she wants to have a child, and completely at her wits end. The baby won't stop crying no matter what she (Diana) does. The baby isn't cooing and giggling and smiling at Mama so mama thinks there's something wrong and panics. Since Brigit isn't getting any stimulation, she just kind of lies there. As time goes on, nothing Diana does gets her to re ...

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173 Re: The Commodore and Yellow Admiral[SPOILER ALERT] -- rank: 669

[spoiler]                                   Henry,       That's a good point. Though, it seems to me that POB is strongly implying that she is suffering from some kind of affliction.    Henry Buurman <hbuurman@COMCAST.NET> wrote:   Mike N wrote: > [SPOILER ALERT] > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just rereading the Commodore, and I wonder whether POB's > depiction of autism (in Stephen's daughter) and the e ...

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174 Re: The Commodore and Yellow Admiral[SPOILER ALERT] -- rank: 669

Mike N wrote: > [SPOILER ALERT] > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm just rereading the Commodore, and I wonder whether POB's > depiction of autism (in Stephen's daughter) and the ease of its > "cure" is a little too facile. By the Yellow Admiral, Brigid is > essentially no different from any other girl. Does anyone know > whether autism is in fact "curable" in this way. My understanding > (li ...

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175 The Commodore and Yellow Admiral[SPOILER ALERT] -- rank: 669

[SPOILER ALERT]                                                   I'm just rereading the Commodore, and I wonder whether POB's depiction of autism (in Stephen's daughter) and the ease of its "cure" is a little too facile. By the Yellow Admiral, Brigid is essentially no different from any other girl. Does anyone know whether autism is in fact "curable" in this way. My understanding (limited, admittedly) is that the isolation of autism can be mitigated to some d ...

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176 Re: Chronology [Spoilers - The Commodore] -- rank: 669

Don Seltzer wrote: > <snip> > >Christine: 'You have spoken of your daughter. How old is she?' >Stephen: 'I am ashamed to say I cannot tell. Quite young, sure: >nowhere near puberty.' > >>From publisher WW Norton to the Gunroom, asking for help, > >Patricia Chui: 'I will be grateful to whoever can answer this question: >What are the present ages of Aubrey's and Maturin's children? >Anyone? Anyone?' > >How old are any of them at any part ...

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177 Re: GRP RD: The Commodore and M&C SPOILERS -- rank: 669

Op 12-sep-2005, om 3:57 heeft Julie Hoffman het volgende geschreven: > I still think the magnitude of Jack's concern about Sophia's > fidelity is greater in The Commodore > than in any book of the Canon I have read so far. It it has a > greater effect. On his music, on his > demeanor to his men, on his relationship with Stephen. Why, yes, certainly, no question about that. As you pointed out in an earlier post, in HMSS Jack had absolutely no doubts of Sophia's fidelity, ...

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178 Re: GRP RD: The Commodore and M&C -- rank: 669

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:50:52 -0400, Don Seltzer <timoneer@GMAIL.COM> wrote: >Jack's trust in Sophie does waver at the beginning of SM, when he >arrives in Halifax and finds no mail waiting for him. Col Aldington >tells him how Sophie has been enjoying herself at balls in his >absence, > I take your point, Admiral Seltzer, however, dancin' ain't............well taking advice on how to run your husband's plantation from the man your mother wanted you to marry. And it ...

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179 Re: GRP RD: The Commodore and M&C -- rank: 669

On 9/11/05, Julie Hoffman <tomatoejane2@hotmail.com> wrote: > Infidelity as it directly > effects Jack's ability to command. To keep a clear head, to keep his innate happiness intact. And > in no other book that I can think of does POB present the real possiblity that Sophie might have > strayed. Jack's trust in Sophie does waver at the beginning of SM, when he arrives in Halifax and finds no mail waiting for him. Col Aldington tells him how Sophie has been enjoying ...

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180 Re: GRP RD: The Commodore -- rank: 669

You are in the right of it Bruce - it is making me smile as I sit here. Angela. >From: Batrinque@AOL.COM >Reply-To: The Patrick O'Brian List of the World <GUNROOM@HMSSURPRISE.ORG> >To: GUNROOM@HMSSURPRISE.ORG >Subject: [POB] GRP RD: The Commodore >Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:58:42 EDT > >Speaking of The Commodore, I will take note (being a Tom Pullings fan) of >one >of the happiest passages of the whole Canon: > >> 'Thank you, thank you, si ...

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