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121 Re: The Yellow Admiral - relations (SPOILER?) -- rank: 873

In a message dated 2/4/04 10:00:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, gestrey@WHS.WISC.EDU writes: > I *think* "mother-in-law" was a more general term and could have > included stepmother in its ample bosom. The OED shows "mother-in-law" as a synonym for "stepmother" as far back as 1516 and continuing in use at least until the novels of Thackerey. I suspect POB may have been indulging in his penchant for using obscure secondary meanings of familiar words ...

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122 Re: The Yellow Admiral - relations (SPOILER?) -- rank: 873

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:54:17 -0500, Don Seltzer <seltzer@DRAPER.COM> wrote: >At 06:35 AM 2/4/2004 -0800, Sue Northcott wrote: >>But why does Phillip refer to 'the General' as his grandfather, surely he >>was his father? > > >Yes, you are correct Sue. I'm sure Charlezzzz will have an explanation for >this lapse, along the age discrepancy of Phillip, and why the second Mrs >General Aubrey is referred to as Jack's new mother-in-law in the first two >b ...

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123 Re: The Yellow Admiral - relations (SPOILER?) -- rank: 873

I *think* "mother-in-law" was a more general term and could have included stepmother in its ample bosom. OTH, a sister 0r brother-in-law was often referred to as just sister or brother. Gerry Strey Madison, Wisconsin >>> seltzer@DRAPER.COM 2/4/2004 8:54:17 AM >>> At 06:35 AM 2/4/2004 -0800, Sue Northcott wrote: >But why does Phillip refer to 'the General' as his grandfather, surely he >was his father? Yes, you are correct Sue. I'm sure Charlezzzz wil ...

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124 Re: The Yellow Admiral - relations (SPOILER?) -- rank: 873

Just another of those POBish tricks, I guess. Charlezzzzz will surely have an explanation. Gerry Strey Madison, Wisconsin >>> SueNorthcott@YNYSDERW.FREESERVE.CO.UK 2/4/2004 8:35:37 AM >>> But why does Phillip refer to 'the General' as his grandfather, surely he was his father? Sue On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:27:22 -0600, Gerry Strey <gestrey@WHS.WISC.EDU> wrote: >I think the key here is "blood-relation." There is certainly no genetic >relationship ...

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125 Re: The Yellow Admiral - relations (SPOILER?) -- rank: 873

At 06:35 AM 2/4/2004 -0800, Sue Northcott wrote: >But why does Phillip refer to 'the General' as his grandfather, surely he >was his father? Yes, you are correct Sue. I'm sure Charlezzzz will have an explanation for this lapse, along the age discrepancy of Phillip, and why the second Mrs General Aubrey is referred to as Jack's new mother-in-law in the first two books, before assuming her proper role as stepmother. Don Seltzer

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126 Re: The Yellow Admiral - relations (SPOILER?) -- rank: 873

But why does Phillip refer to 'the General' as his grandfather, surely he was his father? Sue On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:27:22 -0600, Gerry Strey <gestrey@WHS.WISC.EDU> wrote: >I think the key here is "blood-relation." There is certainly no genetic >relationship between Mrs. Williams and young Phillip, no more than there >is one between Jack and Mrs. Williams. Today in the US the >relationship between oneself and one's half-brother's mother-in-law >would be c ...

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127 Re: The Yellow Admiral - relations (SPOILER?) -- rank: 873

I think the key here is "blood-relation." There is certainly no genetic relationship between Mrs. Williams and young Phillip, no more than there is one between Jack and Mrs. Williams. Today in the US the relationship between oneself and one's half-brother's mother-in-law would be considered merely social. In English society circa 1812, I suspect it would have qualified as immediate family. There is one confusion about Phillip, and that is his age. I believe in PC General Au ...

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128 The Yellow Admiral - relations -- rank: 873

In chapter 8 of The Yellow Admiral Stephen and Phillip Aubrey are discussing the charms of Sophie's mother, Mrs Williams: Stephen: 'Mrs Williams is no blood-relation of yours, I believe?' Phillip: 'No, sir. My grandfather, the General, married again after Jack's mother died: she was called Stanhope. And I come from the second marriage, so when Jack married Sophie Williams, that didn't make her mother any relation of mine.' This seems a strange conversation to me, anyway, but made worse by ...

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129 Re: GP RD: The Yellow Admiral: Open and Shut -- rank: 873

Linnea, what a wonderful post, and terrific insights. I think you've about covered everything. Should we move along to The Hundred Days now, or do we get a month off? > I think O'Brian wrote the following on purpose which must refer to the > wonderful book by Flora Thompson, "Lark Rise to Candleford," Another book to put on my list. Katherine For GUNROOM Status visit http://www.maturin.org/status.cgi

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130 Re: GP RD: The Yellow Admiral: Open and Shut -- rank: 873

What a spendid post, Linnea! And I'll second your recommendation of "Lark Rise to Candleford", a grand book. Astrid Bear -----Original Message----- From: Linnea [mailto:ronlin@BRINET.COM] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:14 PM Subject: GP RD: The Yellow Admiral: Open and Shut This seems to be a peculiar book in a way, just a ramble perhaps. However, I found it very satisfying on the question of enclosure, clarifying that enormous land and economic revolution in Britain, and I'm ...

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131 Re: GP RD: The Yellow Admiral: Open and Shut -- rank: 873

Tom Collin writing of Linnea's post: >Post of the Day, surely! I'd like to second that nomination. Don Seltzer

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132 Re: GP RD: The Yellow Admiral: Open and Shut -- rank: 873

After going offlist to drive to Florida to assist my mother, who is learning to live with half vision after a stroke -- no other long term effects apparently, I return to Linnea turning out another wonderful post. Like a lark my spirits rise. Post of the Day, surely! And your comments on Kooped-up names seem to me right on mark. Tom Collin, chastened about his weight after seeing only fit men in their upper eighties or older, and not many at that! Lots of older ladies, and all the heal ...

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133 GP RD: The Yellow Admiral: Open and Shut -- rank: 873

This seems to be a peculiar book in a way, just a ramble perhaps. However, I found it very satisfying on the question of enclosure, clarifying that enormous land and economic revolution in Britain, and I'm always happy when Jack is at home in the bosom of his growing family and we learn about his life and the pursuits of a country gentleman, as he is now the lord of his ancestral manor. Jack and Stephen take a long walk over his land, while Jack patiently and knowledgeably describes his c ...

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Message Date:	2003-05-01 20:34:14 UTC

134 Re: Germs Guns and Steel (was The Yellow Admiral and Air Foils) -- rank: 873

Sorry for the delay, I had to go to London for a few days. It was a car accident The pre-laminated glass windscreen exploded back straight across his face. I was just 2 at he time and the only thing I really remember is seeing him in hospital and trying to find the tooth he told me I'd knocked out in the bed. It was actually laying somewhere in his van as he had removed it on the steering wheel.:-) Stephen Chambers 50° 48' 38" N 01° 09' 15" W Approx. 180 inches above sea le ...

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135 Re: Germs Guns and Steel (was The Yellow Admiral and Air Foils) -- rank: 873

> From: The Patrick O'Brian List of the World! > [mailto:GUNROOM@HMSSURPRISE.ORG] On Behalf Of Mary S > > In a message dated 12/20/2001 7:21:19 PM Central Standard Time, > scc970@TISCALI.CO.UK writes: > > > When my father had the accident that > > blinded him in 1965 > > What sort of accident, Stephen, if it is not too painful to recount? An accident in a canoe? Peter, tying up loose ends and glowing members.

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