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136 Re: Germs Guns and Steel (was The Yellow Admiral and Air Foils) -- rank: 873

In a message dated 12/20/2001 7:21:19 PM Central Standard Time, scc970@TISCALI.CO.UK writes: > When my father had the accident that > blinded him in 1965 What sort of accident, Stephen, if it is not too painful to recount? A sad, brutish grobian, [IM, p45] Mary S  35° 58' 11" N  86° 48' 57" W

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137 Re: Germs Guns and Steel (was The Yellow Admiral and Air Foils) -- rank: 873

Medicine is always moving forward. When my father had the accident that blinded him in 1965 he was told that a few months earlier they wouldn't have been able to save his eyes at all. Who knows, but now they would probably be able to have saved his sight. Still paranoid about those little balls of jelly that sit inside our skulls. :-) Stephen Chambers 50° 48' 38" N 01° 09' 15" W Approx. 180 inches above sea level When the pin is pulled Mr Grenade is no longer our friend. - ...

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138 Re: SPOILER! [POB] The Yellow Admiral and Air Foils -- rank: 873

> From: The Patrick O'Brian List of the World! > [mailto:GUNROOM@HMSSURPRISE.ORG] On Behalf Of David Phillips > Sent: Friday, 21 December 2001 01:17 > To: GUNROOM@HMSSURPRISE.ORG > Subject: Re: SPOILER! [POB] The Yellow Admiral and Air Foils > > > In message Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:50:16 +1100, > Peter Mackay wrote: > > > Because I was paddling with the paddle. To use it as a rudder would > > have reduced the power by 10% > > But doesn't a ...

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139 Re: SPOILER: The Yellow Admiral: WAS HMSS Tortoises & Tigers &Dil -- rank: 873

It seems to me that in the later books POB was in a way scraping the bottom of the barrel, and using odds and ends of jokes, natural history, anecdotes, folklore and the like to fill out the story. Episodes seem like lumps in gravy, just there, rather than being used to illustrate a character or emphasize the authentic flavor of the tale. Gerry Strey Madison, Wisconsin

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Message Date:	2001-12-20 16:19:15 UTC

140 Re: SPOILER! [POB] The Yellow Admiral and Air Foils -- rank: 873

In message Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:50:16 +1100, Peter Mackay wrote: > Because I was paddling with the paddle. To use it as a rudder would have > reduced the power by 10% But doesn't a canoeist (at least a good one ;-) ) use his paddle as both propulsion and guidance? > > -----Original Message----- > > [mailto:GUNROOM@HMSSURPRISE.ORG] On Behalf Of Jebvbva@AOL.COM > > Sent: Thursday, 20 December 2001 12:01 > > Subject: Re: SPOILER! [POB] The Yellow Admiral and Ai ...

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141 Re: SPOILER! [POB] The Yellow Admiral and Air Foils -- rank: 873

In a message dated 12/19/2001 11:51:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, peter.mackay@BIGPOND.COM writes: > Because I was paddling with the paddle. To use it as a rudder would have > reduced the power by 10% > > -- > I bow to your ssuperior knowledge, sir! Blatherin' John B

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142 Re: SPOILER! [POB] The Yellow Admiral and Air Foils -- rank: 873

Because I was paddling with the paddle. To use it as a rudder would have reduced the power by 10%

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143 Re: SPOILER! [POB] The Yellow Admiral and Air Foils -- rank: 873

In a message dated 12/19/2001 4:47:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, peter.mackay@BIGPOND.COM writes: > I stationed myself up the front and made small corrections to our course > by paddling at an angle so as to bring the head around a bit. sort of like canoeing- but why not go to back of boat and use paddle as rudder/sweep? Blatherin' John B

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144 Re: SPOILER: The Yellow Admiral: WAS HMSS Tortoises & Tigers & Dil -- rank: 873

In a message dated 12/19/2001 2:33:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, peter.mackay@BIGPOND.COM writes: > Well, that's the point, Susan. The first half of the book is rural > peace, and though it's interesting enough in its own way, it's a sort of > step outside the usual run of events. > spoiler> >> > > > > also it was expounded in such a way as if POB just took his reseach notes and put them into Jack's mouth. stephen also did an odd thing- in the middl ...

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145 Re: Germs Guns and Steel (was The Yellow Admiral and Air Foils) -- rank: 873

--- Edmund Burton <ekburton@SWBELL.NET> wrote: > I didn't say the book was true: Nor did I say, or mean to, that the book was false.   I said the blurbs > are: It is in fact > brilliantly written, passionate, > etc. And at least he's got some ideas to agree or > disagree with, which is > part of what makes it fun to read. > Oh yes: exactly-I merely pointed out that in my opinion some of whatr he theorizes seems a stretch. > For example, I seem to reca ...

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146 Re: SPOILER! [POB] The Yellow Admiral and Air Foils -- rank: 873

I did pick up "Germs, Guns and Steel" and it is a good book, although basically a reworking of "Ecological Imperialism" by Crosby (if I remember rightly). My memory my be failing, but wasn't it Diamond who came up with the "horizontal continent" theory? -----Original Message----- From: The Patrick O'Brian List of the World! [mailto:GUNROOM@HMSSURPRISE.ORG] On Behalf Of Ray McPherson Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 7:30 PM To: GUNROOM@HMSSURPRISE.ORG Subje ...

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147 Re: Germs Guns and Steel (was The Yellow Admiral and Air Foils) -- rank: 873

I didn't say the book was true: I said the blurbs are: It is in fact brilliantly written, passionate, etc. And at least he's got some ideas to agree or disagree with, which is part of what makes it fun to read. For example, I seem to recall he says the natives he met in New Guinea are more intelligent than the civilized people he knows back home. Never having been to Papua, I'm not in a position to judge, but I certainly enjoyed reading about the experiences that led him to that conc ...

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Message Date:	2001-12-19 16:13:25 UTC

148 Re: SPOILER! [POB] The Yellow Admiral and Air Foils -- rank: 873

--- Ray McPherson <raymcp999@YAHOO.COM> wrote: > Gregg, I guess I don't agree with you.         Guess not ;^)  Partly > because > I think the progression was natural in POB, Jack, > and > Stephen to slow down a bit, become more set in their > ways, less flexible.         As I repeat: it's not the characters - it's the WRITING. By the time of BATM, the characters didn't even SOUND like themselves.  A good writer can make characters be set in their ways and les ...

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149 Re: Germs Guns and Steel (was The Yellow Admiral and Air Foils) -- rank: 873

--- Edmund Burton <ekburton@SWBELL.NET> wrote: > >"Germs Guns and Steel." Have any of you read it? > > I have. It is a welcome throwback to the days when > history was fun to > read. The blurbs on the back cover are all true: > > "This is a brilliantly written, passionate, > whirlwind tour through 13,000 > years of history > on all the continents--a short history of everything > about > everybody....After reading the > ...

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150 Re: Germs Guns and Steel (was The Yellow Admiral and Air Foils) -- rank: 873

Try the same author's The Rise and Fall of the Third Chimpanzee - even better... T Tom Lewis, in beautiful Jervis Bay, NSW, Oz also on the Internet at tom.lewis@defence.gov.au Family web site: http://www.users.bigpond.com/talewis/tklr_at_home.html

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Message Date:	2001-12-19 10:59:54 UTC