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166 Re: SPOILER !The Yellow Admiral and betyond -- rank: 873

In a message dated 12/18/2001 8:57:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, dseltzer@DRAPER.COM writes: > POB's interest in the last books instead is directed towards, ahem, young > boys. I found that a littole unsettling- In many boks, he introduces a 'pretty' boy, has him do a little scene and then kills him off. I am looking forward,in BATM, on what happens to Wells, latest mid . and you mention a Hanson- will see what happens to him. Blatherin' John B

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167 Re: SPOILER! [POB] The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

--- Ray McPherson <raymcp999@YAHOO.COM> wrote: > --- Marshall Rafferty <rafferty@DRIZZLE.COM> wrote: > > On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:23:41 -0800, > > gregg_germain@YAHOO.COM wrote: > > > > >Aye, tis true. It seems likethe books got > thinner, > > >more repetitive, more formulaic. There was a > brief > > >sparkle when we see Brigid emerge from her cocoon > > -0 > > >that was handled masterfully. > > I ...

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168 Re: SPOILER! [POB] The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

--- Marshall Rafferty <rafferty@DRIZZLE.COM> wrote: > On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:23:41 -0800, > gregg_germain@YAHOO.COM wrote: > > >Aye, tis true. It seems likethe books got thinner, > >more repetitive, more formulaic. There was a brief > >sparkle when we see Brigid emerge from her cocoon > -0 > >that was handled masterfully. > > I'm sure that I've talked about this before, but > happily I've > forgotten. > > The thing that m ...

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169 Re: The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

> > Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:38:30 -0800 > From: Susan Wenger <susanwenger@YAHOO.COM> > Subject: The Yellow Admiral > Gerry Strey wrote: > >Sadly, I have to agree with John's points. > Starting as > ealy as TWDS, I began to notice a flagging of energy > and > invention, of wit and zest in POBs writing. I've > asked my > self if THD or TYA had been the first POB book I > encountered I would have been interested enough to > have ...

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170 Re: SPOILER !The Yellow Admiral and betyond -- rank: 873

>--- Marshall Rafferty <rafferty@DRIZZLE.COM> wrote: >> The thing that most struck me in the last several >> books was the >> gradual disappearance of the crew. (snip) >  Ray McPherson and others disagreed: >I think that this is, in part, because Jack has risen >higher in command and as a result has less contact >with the lower orders. I share Marshall's view. By the last two books, Jack is once again a frigate captain and no more remote from his ...

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171 Re: SPOILER! [POB] The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

Spot on, in my opinion.  - Susan --- MacKenna Charleson <MacKennaC@AOL.COM> wrote: > In a message dated 12/17/01 10:39:10 PM Central > Standard Time, > raymcp999@YAHOO.COM writes: > Marshall says: > << > The thing that most struck me in the last several > > books was the > > gradual disappearance of the crew. (snip) > Ray responds: > I think that this is, in part, because Jack has risen > higher in command and as a result has le ...

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172 Re: SPOILER! [POB] The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

--- Marshall Rafferty <rafferty@DRIZZLE.COM> wrote: > On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:23:41 -0800, > gregg_germain@YAHOO.COM wrote: > > >Aye, tis true. It seems likethe books got thinner, > >more repetitive, more formulaic. There was a brief > >sparkle when we see Brigid emerge from her cocoon > -0 > >that was handled masterfully. I think that this is a natural progression of age and experience on the parts of POB, Jack, and Stephen. I see this in th ...

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173 Re: SPOILER! [POB] The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:09:54 EST, Bruce wrote: > THD does seem to improve with >multiple readings. As does, I think, TYA and BATM and maybe The Commodore, >as well. But of course I have long ceased to view them as separate books, >instead seeing them as chapters in a continuing story Ah, I forget this when I haven't read any of them for a while (reading Furst's "ThePolish Officer" right now).* One the one hand, POB didn't have Mary with him toward the end; on ...

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174 Re: SPOILER! [POB] The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

In a message dated 12/17/01 10:52:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, rafferty@DRIZZLE.COM writes: << Not that there ain't gems aplenty, even in the final books.    Marshall Rafferty, who liked THD better with each reading. >> I think that Marshall has it right here -- THD does seem to improve with multiple readings. As does, I think, TYA and BATM and maybe The Commodore, as well. But of course I have long ceased to view them as separate books, instead seeing them as chapters ...

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175 Re: SPOILER! [POB] The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

In a message dated 12/17/01 10:39:10 PM Central Standard Time, raymcp999@YAHOO.COM writes: Marshall says: << > The thing that most struck me in the last several > books was the > gradual disappearance of the crew. (snip)  Ray responds:  I think that this is, in part, because Jack has risen  higher in command and as a result has less contact  with the lower orders.  Ray Mcp >> I agree. And whether consciously or unconsciously, the narrator takes a step away from ...

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176 Re: SPOILER! [POB] The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

> From: The Patrick O'Brian List of the World! > [mailto:GUNROOM@HMSSURPRISE.ORG] On Behalf Of Ray McPherson > Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2001 15:38 > To: GUNROOM@HMSSURPRISE.ORG > Subject: Re: SPOILER! [POB] The Yellow Admiral > > > --- Marshall Rafferty <rafferty@DRIZZLE.COM> wrote: > > On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:23:41 -0800, > > gregg_germain@YAHOO.COM wrote: > > > > >Aye, tis true. It seems likethe books got thinner, > > ...

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177 Re: SPOILER! [POB] The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

--- Marshall Rafferty <rafferty@DRIZZLE.COM> wrote: > On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:23:41 -0800, > gregg_germain@YAHOO.COM wrote: > > >Aye, tis true. It seems likethe books got thinner, > >more repetitive, more formulaic. There was a brief > >sparkle when we see Brigid emerge from her cocoon > -0 > >that was handled masterfully. > > I'm sure that I've talked about this before, but > happily I've > forgotten. > > The thing that m ...

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178 Re: SPOILER! [POB] The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

In a message dated 12/17/2001 6:56:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, peter.mackay@BIGPOND.COM writes: > As for its effects on > the narrative as a whole, it is crucial. You know what I mean. > It was very noticeable to me- I totally lost the continuity and didn't know that a book intervened TYA and BATM. Blatherin' John B

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179 Re: SPOILER! [POB] The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

In a message dated 12/17/2001 6:52:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, rxbach@EARTHLINK.NET writes: > > John, there is indeed a book in between. The Hundred Days, and it is one > > of the most significant in the series. I wouldn't dream of beginning > > BATM without having completed THD. But strap yourself into your reading > > chair first, you'll need it. It had me gasping right from the very first > > page. > > Really? Wow. I find it hard to imagine that re ...

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180 Re: SPOILER! [POB] The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:23:41 -0800, gregg_germain@YAHOO.COM wrote: >Aye, tis true. It seems likethe books got thinner, >more repetitive, more formulaic. There was a brief >sparkle when we see Brigid emerge from her cocoon -0 >that was handled masterfully. I'm sure that I've talked about this before, but happily I've forgotten. The thing that most struck me in the last several books was the gradual disappearance of the crew. Oh, there were no doubt some guys pulling on lin ...

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