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241 Re: (g.bird 24572) Re: Observer review of The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

Is 'Ello, 'Ello really available in the US? I would appreciate a source for video tapes. Cheers At 04:16 PM 1/6/97 -0500, Janebuchma@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 97-01-06 11:42:33 EST, you write: > ><< Ken, I agree completely with >what > you wrote above but how does one explain Americans' `fascination` with the > British royal family, Emma Thompson and Kenneth Branagh, Sherlock Holmes and > Upstairs/Downstairs? > ...

Poster's Name:	Graham Bird
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Message Date:	1997-01-08 02:35:57 UTC

242 Fwd: US Britomania (was: Observer review of The Yellow Admiral) -- rank: 873

In a message dated 97-01-07 15:53:39 EST, my estimable sister-in-law, an ardent admirer of Himself but, alas, only a vicarious lissun, writes: << By the way, if the reviewer in the Observer sees something in the US that he wishes to call 'Britomania,' let him think so. It occurs to me that the aforementioned phenomenon is more his problem than the US readers', else he might have explained the popularity of O'Brian in the US with somewhat more credit to POB. >> Regards, Scott ...

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Message Date:	1997-01-08 00:03:20 UTC

243 Re: Observer review of The Yellow Admiral (long) -- rank: 873

>It's this discreet Britomania, I think, that helps to explain O'Brian's >status in America. there he appeals to the subcutaneous Anglophilia that is >still so oddly prevalent within all strata of that great republic, and in >Jack Aubrey, we have a hearts-of-oak hero, a delightfully cantankerous member >of the bulldog breed that made this country what Americans imagine it to be. >Even O'Brian's use of archiasm ('gackles', 'marthambles' and 'carronade') >serves this purpose s ...

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Message Date:	1997-01-07 21:01:51 UTC

244 Re: Observer review of The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

On Mon, 6 Jan 1997 16:16:11 -0500 Janebuchma@aol.com writes: >And let's not forget Lord Nelson and Royal Navy. Keeping up >Appearances, >'ello, 'ello >and, of course, DOCTOR WHO!!!! > >Capt. Jane Yes, Yes, DOCTOR WHO! Here! Here! Littlefield (Oceankitty: The Ship's Cat)

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Message Date:	1997-01-07 02:39:06 UTC

245 Re: Observer review of The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

In a message dated 97-01-06 11:42:33 EST, you write: << Ken, I agree completely with what you wrote above but how does one explain Americans' `fascination` with the British royal family, Emma Thompson and Kenneth Branagh, Sherlock Holmes and Upstairs/Downstairs? >> And let's not forget Lord Nelson and Royal Navy. Keeping up Appearances, 'ello, 'ello and, of course, DOCTOR WHO!!!! Capt. Jane Trying to keep it warm in Kent, Ohio

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Message Date:	1997-01-06 21:57:02 UTC

246 Re: Observer review of The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

>Ken, I agree completely with what you wrote above but how does one explain Americans' `fascination` with the British royal family, Emma Thompson and Kenneth Branagh, Sherlock Holmes and> Upstairs/Downstairs? Well, if you cant understand the fascination of Emma Thompson, I shan't be able to explain it, no, not if it were ever so. :) Jay

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Message Date:	1997-01-06 20:01:35 UTC

247 Re: Observer review of The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

-- [ From: Lee Feldman * EMC.Ver #3.1 ] -- As someone once said, we can admire the British Royal family because we are not burdened with them. Lee Feldman 41 07' 03'N 73 24' 30' W -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- Date: Monday, 06-Jan-97 09:10 AM From: Marc Goldin \ Internet: (mgoldin@shrike.depaul.edu) To: Kenneth C. Kettering \ Internet: (kck@rssm.com) cc: patrickobrian@norton2.wwnorton.com \ Internet: (patrickobrian@norton2.wwnorton.c) Subje ...

Poster's Name:	Lee Feldman
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Message Date:	1997-01-06 19:23:37 UTC

248 Re: US Britomania (was: Observer review of The Yellow Admiral) -- rank: 873

Marc Goldin wrote: > > At 02:42 PM 1/5/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Many thanks to Neil Adams for posting the interesting review of The > >Yellow Admiral by Robert McCrum in the Observer. > > > >Mr. McCrum explains the popularity of POB in the USA as follows: > > > >>It's this discreet Britomania, I think, that helps to explain O'Brian's > >>status in America. there he appeals to the subcutaneous Anglophilia > >>that is still so oddly pr ...

Poster's Name:	Kenneth C. Kettering
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Message Date:	1997-01-06 19:01:53 UTC

249 Re: Observer review of The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

At 02:42 PM 1/5/97 -0500, you wrote: >Many thanks to Neil Adams for posting the interesting review of The >Yellow Admiral by Robert McCrum in the Observer. > >Mr. McCrum explains the popularity of POB in the USA as follows: > >>It's this discreet Britomania, I think, that helps to explain O'Brian's >>status in America. there he appeals to the subcutaneous Anglophilia >>that is still so oddly prevalent within all strata of that great >>republic, and in J ...

Poster's Name:	Marc Goldin
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Message Date:	1997-01-06 16:06:24 UTC

250 Re: Observer review of The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

Apparently it has not occurred to the Observer's reviewer that 'English archaisms' belong to the linguistic heritage of North America, too, and that thoughtful citizens of the US and Canada might be just as interested in them as thoughtful Britons, for similar reasons. Not to mention that 'marthambles' is probably, like 'iron-poor blood,' a commercial neologism coined in order to sell patent medicine: not exactly evidence of the superiority of the British Lexis! What the heck are gackles? K ...

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Message Date:	1997-01-06 01:33:47 UTC

251 Re: Observer review of The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

kck@rssm.com,Internet writes: >As to the 'bulldog breed that made this country what Americans imagine >it to be': I have no idea what Mr. McCrum thinks Americans imagine >modern England to be, but this American, at least, views modern England >as being made as much by Beatrice and Sidney Webb as by Jack Aubrey or >his historical counterparts... One of my long-held beliefs that pre-dates my first reading of the canon is that much of the good in the world, and indeed what is c ...

Poster's Name:	Shelton Lankford
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Message Date:	1997-01-05 22:17:10 UTC

252 Re: Observer review of The Yellow Admiral (long) -- rank: 873

At 11:34 AM 1/5/97 -0500, you wrote: >It's this discreet Britomania, I think, that helps to explain O'Brian's >status in America. there he appeals to the subcutaneous Anglophilia that is >still so oddly prevalent within all strata of that great republic, and in >Jack Aubrey, we have a hearts-of-oak hero, a delightfully cantankerous member >of the bulldog breed that made this country what Americans imagine it to be. >Even O'Brian's use of archiasm ('gackles', 'marthambles' and ...

Poster's Name:	Marc Goldin
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Message Date:	1997-01-05 20:22:48 UTC

253 Re: Observer review of The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

Many thanks to Neil Adams for posting the interesting review of The Yellow Admiral by Robert McCrum in the Observer. Mr. McCrum explains the popularity of POB in the USA as follows: >It's this discreet Britomania, I think, that helps to explain O'Brian's >status in America. there he appeals to the subcutaneous Anglophilia >that is still so oddly prevalent within all strata of that great >republic, and in Jack Aubrey, we have a hearts-of-oak hero, a >delightfully cantankerou ...

Poster's Name:	Kenneth C. Kettering
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Message Date:	1997-01-05 20:02:23 UTC

254 Re: Observer review of The Yellow Admiral -- rank: 873

In a message dated 97-01-05 12:33:06 EST, you write: << Robert McCrum, literary editor of the Observer, reviews The Yellow Admiral in today's issue. He has some interesting observations ... 'O'Brian's use of archiasm ('gackles', 'marthambles' and 'carronade') serves this purpose splendidly well, reminding the linguistically neurotic American of the (to them) innately superior British Lexis.' >> Actually, I would have thought it fairly difficult to write of naval warfare of the Na ...

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Message Date:	1997-01-05 19:08:40 UTC

255 Observer review of The Yellow Admiral (long) -- rank: 873

Dear colleagues, Robert McCrum, literary editor of the Observer, reviews The Yellow Admiral in today's issue. He has some interesting observations on the popularity of the books in the US which I will pass on to you without comment, merely stating that the copyright of this is vested in the Observer. '...O'Brian has become, in his own way, as celebrated as Golding, at least in America, where fashion rules. Although his excellent 'Master and Commander' series - thrilling, well-researched tales ...

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Message Date:	1997-01-05 16:58:16 UTC