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31 What game was POB playing in BATM? -- rank: 633
Possible spoiler of a social, not militaristic, nature. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. In BATM Stephen and Christine are birdwatching and their conversation runs: 'What very little I know. He is Shaw's Caprimulgus longi-pennis, and he is uncommon in these parts, above all in his full mating plumage - I have seen only two all the time I have been here. That perfectly astonishing train, by the way, is just the ninth primary on either side; and how the poor bird manages to get into ...
Poster's Name: Jim Muller
Poster's Email: jimmuller_at_RCN.COM
Message Date: 2013-04-27 03:18:51 UTC
32 Re: All's Well That Ends [100% POB TYA, THD, BATM spoilers] -- rank: 633
I met Patrick Tull at a dinner at the Seaman's Institute in NYC, hosted and catered by the Grossmans. The highlight of the evening was Patrick reading the pillory scene from "Reverse of the Medal." <http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CFi6fhcMnYQ> The next day we boarded the HMS Rose for our cruise to Bermuda. Tull had just read "The Hundred Days" for recorded books and I asked him about the book (it hadn't been published yet) but he wouldn't tell me anything beyond, "Y ...
Poster's Name: Bill Nyden
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Message Date: 2012-11-12 21:51:01 UTC
33 Re: All's Well That Ends [100% POB TYA, THD, BATM spoilers] -- rank: 633
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Nathan Varnum <nathan.varnum_at_gmail.com> wrote: > Very, very nice post, Susannah. I strongly believe that the later books in > the Canon have a different feel, a different texture, than the earlier ones > and you have hit upon one of the specific differences that affect the > overall feel of the books. > > FWIW, in trying to recall my description, I had to resort to the archives > and found that it was nearly 8 years ago - &g ...
Poster's Name: Don Seltzer
Poster's Email: timoneer_at_GMAIL.COM
Message Date: 2012-11-12 15:57:57 UTC
34 Re: All's Well That Ends [100% POB TYA, THD, BATM spoilers] -- rank: 633
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 5:15 PM, Susannah Charleson < susannah.charleson_at_gmail.com> wrote: > Apologies if this has been discussed before, at length here and I missed it > or have forgotten -- and I think surely parts of it must have been. But, > now on my 13th or so reading through the canon, I am noticing that whether > tired, foreseeing the end of the series, or for some other reason, O'Brian > in The Yellow Admiral, The Hundred Days, and perhaps later on (when I ...
Poster's Name: Nathan Varnum
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Message Date: 2012-11-12 14:32:51 UTC
35 Re: All's Well That Ends [100% POB TYA, THD, BATM spoilers] -- rank: 633
Have others on the list wondered if POB would have ended the series earlier if sudden fame hadn't spurred him and his publishers to continue? Gerry: isn't that an almost definitional statement? Yours very truly, G. John Marmet To be removed from the GUNROOM list send a blank message to UNSUBSCRIBE-GUNROOM_at_HMSSURPRISE.ORG (Please remove this message when replying)
Poster's Name: gmarmet
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Message Date: 2012-11-11 23:25:42 UTC
36 Re: All's Well That Ends [100% POB TYA, THD, BATM spoilers] -- rank: 633
I ahve thought about the whole aspect of a matrimonial union between people separated for years because of war. Jack and Stephen gone for how long ? POB does not give us dates and years away but we know that much time has past. Months of course are mentioned but POB does not say 01/01/1809 beginning of voyage and then 01/01/1812 end of voyage returning home to England. Imagine how the pressures on a relationship must have kept building. Sailors enduring the hardships of a daily battle at sea-w ...
Poster's Name: Tom
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Message Date: 2012-11-11 17:15:29 UTC
37 Re: All's Well That Ends [100% POB TYA, THD, BATM spoilers] -- rank: 633
I'd suggest another thought. First, I agree, Susannah expressed it very well, although it is difficult to describe. But to quote Susannah: "And I can't really decide if it's because the writer knows there will not be much later to pick it up ... or if he feels he has simply run out of new stones to drop." I think there's something to these ideas, but they don't show the contrast between the first book and the later, but more between the fifth book and the later books. When ...
Poster's Name: Ray Wach
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Message Date: 2012-11-11 14:44:14 UTC
38 Re: All's Well That Ends [100% POB TYA, THD, BATM spoilers] -- rank: 633
I have noticed the same but put it aside as if he had put them through the challenges which they endured and as we all have experienced or hoped for, life gets better as we near retirement and have time to reflect on our salad days. On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Susan Wenger <susanwenger_at_gmail.com> wrote: > POST OF THE DAY! > > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Susannah Charleson < > susannah.charleson_at_gmail.com> wrote: > > > Apologies if ...
Poster's Name: Dennis Thompson
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Message Date: 2012-11-11 03:27:42 UTC
39 Re: All's Well That Ends [100% POB TYA, THD, BATM spoilers] -- rank: 633
POST OF THE DAY! On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Susannah Charleson < susannah.charleson_at_gmail.com> wrote: > Apologies if this has been discussed before, at length here and I missed it > or have forgotten -- and I think surely parts of it must have been. But, > now on my 13th or so reading through the canon, I am noticing that whether > tired, foreseeing the end of the series, or for some other reason, O'Brian > in The Yellow Admiral, The Hundred Days, and perhap ...
Poster's Name: Susan Wenger
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Message Date: 2012-11-11 02:56:26 UTC
40 Re: All's Well That Ends [100% POB TYA, THD, BATM spoilers] -- rank: 633
Susannah, you've beautifully expressed what at various times I've tried to say about the canon from WDS to the end. There's a tiredness, a perfunctory treatment of themes and characters, with at the same time an increase of references to previous events that to me seem unnecessary and almost amounting to padding of the manuscript. Have others on the list wondered if POB would have ended the series earlier if sudden fame hadn't spurred him and his publishers to continue? Gerry Strey Ma ...
Poster's Name: Geraldine Strey
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Message Date: 2012-11-10 23:19:17 UTC
41 All's Well That Ends [100% POB TYA, THD, BATM spoilers] -- rank: 633
Apologies if this has been discussed before, at length here and I missed it or have forgotten -- and I think surely parts of it must have been. But, now on my 13th or so reading through the canon, I am noticing that whether tired, foreseeing the end of the series, or for some other reason, O'Brian in The Yellow Admiral, The Hundred Days, and perhaps later on (when I get there again), seems less-inclined to keep Stephen and Jack in duress, particularly marital or familial duress, than we se ...
Poster's Name: Susannah Charleson
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Message Date: 2012-11-10 22:15:22 UTC
42 Deja Vu All Over Again THD and BATM spoilers -- rank: 633
I know that we in the past have mulled over the recycling of some of the plot from the end of THD for re-use in the beginning of BATM. To be sure, the Surprise's disastrous collision with another vessel in a storm takes place "off stage" in THD whereas the Surprise's disastrous collision with another vessel in a storm take place front and center in BATM. But I wonder if anyone has ever run across any evidence that the thrifty POB indeed might have recycled this epis ...
Poster's Name: Bruce Trinque
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Message Date: 2010-03-02 17:11:21 UTC
43 Re: BATM and Sharpe's Devil - Ware SPOILERS -- rank: 633
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:15 PM, John Gosden <johngosd_at_gmail.com> wrote: > Curious to read these two in succession.  Both deal with the same period of > history, but in vastly different ways. Contrast Cochrane's mad dash and > violence to Valdivia, with Stephen's desperate journey over the Altiplano. > A fascinating comparison. And painful to say, it is a comparison in which POB does not fare well. Both Bernard Cornwell and POB cut out the Esmeralda and capture the f ...
Poster's Name: Don Seltzer
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Message Date: 2010-01-30 22:40:15 UTC
44 BATM and Sharpe's Devil - Ware SPOILERS -- rank: 633
Curious to read these two in succession. Both deal with the same period of history, but in vastly different ways. Contrast Cochrane's mad dash and violence to Valdivia, with Stephen's desperate journey over the Altiplano. A fascinating comparison To be removed from the GUNROOM list send a blank message to UNSUBSCRIBE-GUNROOM_at_HMSSURPRISE.ORG (Please remove this message when replying)
Poster's Name: John Gosden
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Message Date: 2010-01-30 01:15:50 UTC
45 [GROUPREAD] BATM: Singing the Blues ... -- rank: 633
For our new shipmates, don't worry about having missed a group read. This one started 20 months ago on a another forum, and I'm just too stubborn not to see it through to the end. The last several books have not generated many comments from me, for a variety of reasons. And this comment is not even about something in the book but is about the book itself. Blue at the Mizzen gives me the Blues as it marks the right true end of the canon. Sure, there's 21, but it's a book of ellips ...
Poster's Name: Debbie DeVioleta
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Message Date: 2009-09-30 04:09:06 UTC
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