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466 [lissun-bag] What the BATM sequel could have included -- rank: 633

Here's something POB might have used, if he could have bothered with reading current news: http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/science/041100sci-environ-iceberg.html I can just picture the scene .... Shouts above deck pierce through Stephen's sleep but it's the shaking that finally rouses him. "Jesus, Mary and Joseph," he cries, his eyes finally focusing on the round-faced midshipman. "Clover, am I to die shaken, not stirred?" "Oh, sir," says the boy ...

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467 That squadron for South Africa: BATM spoiler -- rank: 633

Spoiler follows: At the end of BATM, Jack is ordered to pick up a squadron and head for South Africa. We might guess what POB planned for him if we found out what the RN actually did in South Africa after Cochrane finished in Chile. Anybody know? (Did Cochrane meet Sally Mputa, I wonder?)     Charlezzzz

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Message Date:	2000-04-08 01:40:41 UTC

468 Re: BATM: A Real Shock -- rank: 633

In a message dated 4/5/2000 7:32:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mayer@EMERGE.NET.AU writes: > This in spite of being in > his 80's and still turning out a book every two years. Did we ask too much? He could have resisted "feeding the juggernaut" and quit when he chose; but he chose to continue: an obsession to write? more fame? more fortune? I don't think readers can be blamed for that, can they/we? Marian

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469 Re: THD a Stew was: Re: BATM: A Real Shock -- rank: 633

Thanks, Bruce, I did mean "with" Michael Mayer > In a message dated 4/5/00 7:32:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mayer@EMERGE.NET.AU writes: > > << I thought THD was good, > without lots of sub themes (Naseby, the fall of Killick, women on board) > that made a complex and delicious stew. >> > > May I presume that "without" is really "with"? If so, I agree with you. I > am now halfway through THD once again, this tim ...

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Message Date:	2000-04-06 00:26:52 UTC

470 THD a Stew was: Re: BATM: A Real Shock -- rank: 633

In a message dated 4/5/00 7:32:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mayer@EMERGE.NET.AU writes: << I thought THD was good,  without lots of sub themes (Naseby, the fall of Killick, women on board)  that made a complex and delicious stew. >> May I presume that "without" is really "with"? If so, I agree with you. I am now halfway through THD once again, this time as part of re-read of the entire Canon, and I find myself amazed at all the little bits and pieces of ...

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471 Re: BATM: A Real Shock -- rank: 633

From: "William Peschel" > I hold some understanding for what he was going through at the end, but he > did bring distress to his friends with his last few novels. I haven't gotten round to rereading BATM, partly because I was given 2 earlier ones, and I have been enjoying them slowly. I thought THD was good, without lots of sub themes (Naseby, the fall of Killick, women on board) that made a complex and delicious stew. My initial impression of BATM was that it was more one ...

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Message Date:	2000-04-05 23:32:21 UTC

472 Re: BATM: A Real Shock. -- rank: 633

In a message dated 4/2/0 10:31:36 PM, Batrinque@AOL.COM writes: << During my current re-read of the Canon (in the middle of "The Commodore" right now) I have been especially aware of POB's indirect method of story-telling. >> Quite similar in many ways to the story-telling techniques of the Border Ballads, where shocking material is left out, but where the audience can fill it in, and will get the shock in doing so. Like the dead young knight in the Twa Corbies (who ...

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Message Date:	2000-04-03 04:03:26 UTC

473 Re: BATM: A Real Shock. -- rank: 633

In a message dated 4/2/00 12:37:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, susanwenger@YAHOO.COM writes: << One thing that I especially noticed with the short stories, and realized also applies to the novels, is the amount of story that O'Brian does NOT tell. ... When he doesn't tell you exactly what happened, you fill it in, and that involves the reader much more intimately than if you simply read all the action in a book. >> During my current re-read of the Canon (in the middle of " ...

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474 Re: BATM: A Real Shock. -- rank: 633

I'm betwixt and between on the subject of I'm betwixt and between on the subject of B@M. I've read it twice and, while there are many enjoyable passages, I find it a very poor book indeed, considered overall. I feel much the same way about Hundred Days. But, but, but .... I've felt the same way about installments of the canon in the past (especially, say, Wine Dark Sea), but they all succeeded in growing on me, or I in growing into them. I'm convinced that POBs need to 'mature between ...

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Message Date:	2000-04-02 21:09:59 UTC

475 Re: BATM: A Real Shock. INCLUDES SPOILERS FOR SEVERAL BOOKS -- rank: 633

> From: Patrick O'Brian Main List > [mailto:PATRICKOBRIAN@NORTON2.WWNORTON.COM]On Behalf Of Susan Wenger > > The ship sails off to the dark continent. What will it > find? Penguins along the way.

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Message Date:	2000-04-02 19:47:39 UTC

476 Re: BATM: A Real Shock. INCLUDES SPOILERS FOR SEVERAL BOOKS -- rank: 633

--- Patriuck Bramwell-Wesley <pbramwell@home.com> wrote: Now, of course, with the > knowledge that it IS the > last, there's a much different air about it. Something > that tied up loose > ends, provided a conventional "ending", would be less > aesthetically > pleasing, to my mind. > > Any comments? > One thing that I especially noticed with the short stories, and realized also applies to the novels, is the amount of story that O'Brian does ...

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Message Date:	2000-04-02 16:39:00 UTC

477 Re: BATM: A Real Shock. -- rank: 633

In a message dated 4/2/00 10:35:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pbramwell@HOME.COM writes: << Probably as many of us did, I set out to read through the canon again after  himself died. Last night I finished BATM. The sense of loss was  overwhelming --- there will be no more. However, BATM turns out to be an  almost perfect "last" volume. >> I am 85 percent through my own post-POB re-read of the Canon and will be interested to see what my reaction to the book is as a pa ...

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478 Re: BATM: A Real Shock. -- rank: 633

In a message dated 4/2/00 9:42:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, susanwenger@YAHOO.COM writes: << for "fir" read "fair." >> Why wooden't you say "fir"? Bruce Trinque 41*19'41"N 72*12'40"W

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Message Date:	2000-04-02 16:11:02 UTC

479 Re: BATM: A Real Shock. -- rank: 633

Probably as many of us did, I set out to read through the canon again after himself died. Last night I finished BATM. The sense of loss was overwhelming --- there will be no more. However, BATM turns out to be an almost perfect "last" volume. It is reflective, solemn in its pace, and has, despite the ending, a "dying fall" to it. I did not feel this when it first came out --- like some, it seemed to me to be a lesser effort, curiously incomplete. Now, of course, with t ...

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Message Date:	2000-04-02 14:36:52 UTC

480 Re: BATM: A Real Shock. -- rank: 633

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