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541 And Another Website with the NY Times BATM Review -- rank: 633

A second website with today's review of BATM in the NY Times is http://www.nytimes.com/books/yr/mo/day/home/contents.html Bruce Trinque 41*19'41"N 72*12'40"W

Poster's Name:	Batrinque@AOL.COM
Poster's Email:	Batrinque@AOL.COM
Message Date:	1999-12-05 14:22:03 UTC

542 NY Times Review of BATM -- rank: 633

The NY Times review of "Blue at the Mizzen" can be found on-line at http://www.nytimes.com/books/99/12/05/reviews/991205.05foremat.html You may have to register as a user of the NY Times to access it, but there is no cost (and the NY Times is a great resource anyway). The review of BATM by Amanda Foreman is highly favorable. She says the book is "a shining jewel .. an intricate, multifaceted work -- one of those rare novels that actually bear up under close scrutiny." ...

Poster's Name:	Batrinque@AOL.COM
Poster's Email:	Batrinque@AOL.COM
Message Date:	1999-12-05 14:07:33 UTC

543 RE: [lissun-bag] Slight Changes in BATM -- rank: 633

As for tea, "ordinarily Stephen had no love for the insipid wash." (TGS) Elizabeth M. -----Original Message----- From: Louis Cohen [mailto:louiscohen@home.com] Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 11:02 PM To: To: Lissun-Bag@Spore. Org Subject: [lissun-bag] Slight Changes in BATM A couple of little things struck me as unusual in BATM: - In an earlier book, when Stephen inherits from his godfather, he is described as one of the richest men in Europe. In BATM, his wealth seems insi ...

Poster's Name:	Mccullough, Elizabeth W
Poster's Email:	ecary@indiana.edu
Message Date:	1999-12-04 19:56:41 UTC

544 Re: [lissun-bag] Slight Changes in BATM -- rank: 633

Susan Wenger wrote: > > I think there's the consistency that enough money to do > what one wishes to do is a nice thing to have, but > pursuit of money for its own sake is ungenteel. O'Brian > plays with the theme of money often - surely it was an > unhappy factor when he was himself lacking in funds. > Stephen is careless about money when he doesn't have to > worry about eating; he generously gives Jack Aubrey > uncounted sums, stuffs it away in various poc ...

Poster's Name:	Warren Godfrey
Poster's Email:	ldi@xnet.com
Message Date:	1999-12-04 19:54:57 UTC

545 Re: [lissun-bag] Slight Changes in BATM -- rank: 633

--- Warren Godfrey <ldi@xnet.com> wrote: > Interesting - yet one of the things most constant about > Stephen is his inconsistent description of his own > nature. > He continously refers to his short stature, pale and > forbidding visage and lack of any qualities attractive > to > women, women find him most agreeable. When he had no > money, > he was careless with what came his way, yet when his > uncle > died, he suddenly becomes concerned with ...

Poster's Name:	Susan Wenger
Poster's Email:	susanwenger@yahoo.com
Message Date:	1999-12-04 19:29:07 UTC

546 Re: [lissun-bag] Slight Changes in BATM -- rank: 633

Interesting - yet one of the things most constant about Stephen is his inconsistent description of his own nature. He continously refers to his short stature, pale and forbidding visage and lack of any qualities attractive to women, women find him most agreeable. When he had no money, he was careless with what came his way, yet when his uncle died, he suddenly becomes concerned with the cost of passage by one means or another to London. While it is true that he described tea early on ...

Poster's Name:	Warren Godfrey
Poster's Email:	ldi@xnet.com
Message Date:	1999-12-04 18:37:37 UTC

547 Re: [lissun-bag] Another oddity in BATM -- rank: 633

Francis Muir wrote: > > Louis raises an interesting point, but perhaps > stiff-upper-lippishness developed during mid-Victorian times. In > *Persuasion*, which is Miss Austen's most mature novel, the men, and > particularly the Naval men, are very open and not afraid to wear > their hearts on their sleeves. > I think that Francis is right, its always one of my favourite Stephen observations because it does strike at the current stereotype and reminds us that we a ...

Poster's Name:	Adam Quinan
Poster's Email:	quinans@interlog.com
Message Date:	1999-12-04 14:30:03 UTC

548 Re: [lissun-bag] Another oddity in BATM -- rank: 633

Louis raises an interesting point, but perhaps stiff-upper-lippishness developed during mid-Victorian times. In *Persuasion*, which is Miss Austen's most mature novel, the men, and particularly the Naval men, are very open and not afraid to wear their hearts on their sleeves. Francis >Himself writes that Stephen never liked the way that the English display >their emotions; he is uncomfortable when he sees Jack homesick and depressed >by a letter from home. > >Is this ...

Poster's Name:	Francis Muir
Poster's Email:	francis@stanford.edu
Message Date:	1999-12-04 13:45:55 UTC

549 [lissun-bag] Another oddity in BATM -- rank: 633

Himself writes that Stephen never liked the way that the English display their emotions; he is uncomfortable when he sees Jack homesick and depressed by a letter from home. Is this meant ironically? Aren't the English said not to show emotions, stiff upper lip and all that? The idea of an Englishman making more of a display of his emotions than an Irish Latin seems very odd. Regards from sunny San Leandro Louis Cohen N37° 43' 7" W122° 8' 42" http://members.home.net/louisco ...

Poster's Name:	Louis Cohen
Poster's Email:	louiscohen@home.com
Message Date:	1999-12-04 05:44:29 UTC

550 [lissun-bag] Slight Changes in BATM -- rank: 633

A couple of little things struck me as unusual in BATM: - In an earlier book, when Stephen inherits from his godfather, he is described as one of the richest men in Europe. In BATM, his wealth seems insignificant compared to what his naturalist friend inherits. - Stephen is described as drinking tea regularly with Poll Skeeping et al. I thought he hated tea. Regards from sunny San Leandro Louis Cohen N37° 43' 7" W122° 8' 42" http://members.home.net/louiscohen

Poster's Name:	Louis Cohen
Poster's Email:	louiscohen@home.com
Message Date:	1999-12-04 04:08:02 UTC

551 Re: ReSpoilers/ Jack's sweetness- MULTIPLE & VAGUE & M&C, Batm sp oilers -- rank: 633

From: Faith Ingles [mailto:Faithmus@AOL.COM] In a message dated 12/2/99 9:39:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, u1c04803@MAIL.WVNET.EDU writes: << And following the same logic, he must have a good understanding of  shrewishness to create Mrs Williams;.... >> What a great summary! Graham Greene in one of his novels has a character say:  " A novelist depends on other men; he's an average man with the power of expression." And Le Carre argues that writers create their ...

Poster's Name:	Peter Mackay
Poster's Email:	peter.mackay@EMS-SOLUTIONS.COM.AU
Message Date:	1999-12-03 03:10:23 UTC

552 Re: ReSpoilers/ Jack's sweetness- MULTIPLE & VAGUE & M&C, Batm spoilers -- rank: 633

In a message dated 12/2/99 9:39:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, u1c04803@MAIL.WVNET.EDU writes: << And following the same logic, he must have a good understanding of  shrewishness to create Mrs Williams; a good understanding of evil and  cunning to create Wray; a good understanding of wild, graceful women to  create Diana; a good understanding of manipulative martyrdom to create  Amanda Smith; a good understanding of faithful grumpy obedience and  deference to create Killick; a good un ...

Poster's Name:	Faith Ingles
Poster's Email:	Faithmus@AOL.COM
Message Date:	1999-12-03 03:04:20 UTC

553 ReSpoilers/ Jack's sweetness- MULTIPLE & VAGUE & M&C, Batm spoilers -- rank: 633

>In a messages dated 2 Dec, Faith and Rowen wrote about instances of Jack's >sweetness of character. Rowen finished: > > >> And an aside on the heresy thread: it seems to me that a man without some >of >> this "sweetness" of character would not be likely to write about or >> understand the appeal of these little instances. > And Elizabeth added 12/2/99 as Rowen says, POB must >have a good understanding and appreciation of the flavour ...

Poster's Name:	u1c04803
Poster's Email:	u1c04803@MAIL.WVNET.EDU
Message Date:	1999-12-03 02:41:18 UTC

554 Naseby the dog: teenie weenie BATM spoiler -- rank: 633

In a message dated 12/2/99 7:52:49 PM, MacKennaC@AOL.COM writes: << hand of glory, I, inglorious rest here inside a war of dog one Naseby battle-named, embattled dog pressed in corners dosed to puke me up >> Advice to a Dog Caught Red-Handed Naseby, Naseby, May your days be Full of hands That pet you nicely. Run to greet 'em, Quickly eat 'em. Dog of Battle, I hear you rattle: Your guilty plea Is made concisely. Listen, Rover, Hand 'em over. Puke 'em up? That's ...

Poster's Name:	Charles Munoz
Poster's Email:	Charlezzzz@AOL.COM
Message Date:	1999-12-03 02:09:18 UTC

555 Re: Jack's sweetness- M&C, Batm spoilers -- rank: 633

In a messages dated 2 Dec, Faith and Rowen wrote about instances of Jack's sweetness of character. Rowen finished: . > As Jim Hardy so aptly pointed out, action is character and these are all > reasons I like Jack's character. > > And an aside on the heresy thread: it seems to me that a man without some of > this "sweetness" of character would not be likely to write about or > understand the appeal of these little instances. This sweetness of Jack's charac ...

Poster's Name:	Elizabeth Wild
Poster's Email:	elizabeth@WILD54.FREESERVE.CO.UK
Message Date:	1999-12-02 23:42:08 UTC